Bertha Kreye, age 105, of Stony Plain, Alberta passed away on Sunday, January 29, 2023. Show your support Send a Gift Send a gift to a service or familys home. They said, What about? Dont dismantle the welfare state; dont dismantle FDRs America; dont remove the constitutional safety nets; dont remove the welfare safety nets.

I find Scalia engaging and I like him and I find him charming. So it was sometimes off the cuff: What do you think about this? george kreye obituary KREYE George W. Kreye, 95, of Largo, Fla., died May 13, 2003, at Sylvan Health Center, Clearwater, Fla. By that time, Biden had basically given up and the Senate didnt have the votes to really stop anybody. Thats an obvious one. WebObituary. Oh, I think he wanted to galvanize people. Walter could have been but hes too old now. Somehow in that process there was a national temperature-taking and the country said, Wait a minute, thats notNo. Well, it could be, because there were a lot of times when I was asked to advise in some very limited way over some weekend, what did I think of something, and I would write a quick thing. When I would testify before him on something, he would sort of veer off into saying, It would have been great if Bork had been confirmed; if we could have both you and Bork on the Court it would be much better than a Court with just these milquetoast people in the middle. With Nina Totenbergs journalism, he sank before anyone could really focus on him. I thought Bobby was the greatest possibility ever. This is a resumption of the interview with Larry Tribe on April 27, 2009. Both John [F. Kennedy, Jr.] and Caroline [Kennedy Schlossberg] were there, and a priest and I. When, for example, Bork talked about wanting to be a Justice because it was an intellectual feastthat was one of the lines that grated with Kennedy the most. To the extent that the Senate has an institutional memory about it, its become more part of the marrow of the Senate to realize that the pretence that this is all a matter of neutral, technical expertise, or something else that is devoid of perspective and ideological contentthat sense has been washed away pretty much. Ive never once talked about Roe v. Wade.

That hasnt been the case. He would have scripted questions, and when he was questioning someone who was essentially an adversary, someone that he really thought was a bad guy who needed to be put down, he would sometimes go for the jugular and follow-up spontaneously. And it was important that the person have a compassionate vision of human suffering and what human problems were all about, and how law intersected with them. He hates Washington. Carolyn T. Trim, 83, of Flat Rock Road, passed away on April 4, 2023, at the CVPH Medical Center with her family by her side. I dont know for sure. You were such a sweet, loving, compassionate person. I explained no one had. The other odd thing about it, too, was how he got hired. So that has happened, and you get that same process with [Clement] Haynsworth and [George Harrold] Carswell. Thats another one. Do you have a sense that Senators really benefit from this kind of education? Thank you for your friendship! The Republicans had moved steadily to the right. And you get Kennedy effectively silenced. The FBI [Federal Bureau of Investigation] showed up at my office at the law school at Harvard to grill me on who put me up to writing this memorandum about Mildred Lillie. The question thenand Kennedy has actually written on this at some pointis that doesnt mean that we dont have equal responsibility. The examples of people like Bork were very clear and easy for him, unlike people like Biden. No, because one would have wanted more nuance. Im not entirely happy with everything hes doing, and I worry about the bank bailout, and does he trust [Timothy] Geithner too much, and things of that sort, but I think he is just an amazingly adept politician and has a tremendous moral compass.

So he was an odd choice, I guess, but it didnt seem odd to me. While hes still this very prominent political figure, a potential Presidential contender. It really wasnt a similar effort. Well, theres a lot in what you say here. Ive always read the opinions in lower courts of people who have been nominated to the Court, and he was nothing like Bork. Given the background that he came from, and the fact that even with his own family.

I think he very consciously saw him as something like Jack and Bobby, and he was right. And there are many of those who would say, No, we should just let it go through. That I dont know. How did Kennedy galvanize the groups, and how much effort, from what you could tell, was he putting into galvanizing the groups? I will never forget my grammar school years, and you were part of it!! Robert Borks America would have women with coat hangers. That wasnt actually as inaccurate as people may think, but it came across as demagogic and it probably was not the right thing to say at the right moment. Who was Kennedys chief counsel at the time?

I participated in a few retreats. We arrived, and I remember not really having seen the Senator before in any setting other than on television, and he was mixing drinks or something and we walked into this place and there he was. So we get through Bork. Scalia at least has someHe voted that flag burning was protected by the Constitution. With heavy hearts, we announce the death of Carolyn Cook-Dreher (Capitol Heights, Maryland), who passed away on March 25, 2023 at the age of 89. We cant keep it going. He was at his best in thinking through who he needed to have on the stand, who needed to be there, what things we needed to establish. There was some sense, in the recent hearingsIm trying to remember what exactly it was, some embarrassment. I had somehow impressed him in a meeting or two at Fried, Frank, where he was a partner, and he invited me, the only non-family member apart from a priest, who went with him and Eunice [Kennedy Shriver] and Bobby [Sargent Shriver, III] and Timmy [Shriver] and Maria [Shriver] and the whole clan. WebObituary. Yes. I have seen and read that you made a better Bork in the mock hearings than Bork made for himself when he testified. People would have to watch. Beverly - Carolyn Godfrey Millinger Holland was born in York, Maine on April 16, 1929.

In fact, it was kind of an over-determined decision, because all of the groups that Kennedy generally listened to would have pushed him in the direction of opposing Bork. Roberts is actually quite a bit worse on matters of race. I think that because I testified for about three hours by myself, and because I was publicly identified as the person who coached Kennedy and especially Biden, I was demonized as the one who gave intellectual respectability to the opposition in a way that the other people who testified against him publicly, but less visibly, and played a less central role, did not. Somehow the data was pulled together. Right, and he was definitely opposed to Griswold, whereas the later guys all were properly schooled and they said, Oh, Griswold, thats a super precedent. Interesting. One had to assume that they would be votes to whittle away at most of the things that people like Kennedy care about; there was no question about it. Well, the process has become more ugly and polarized, and its been harder to nominate liberals. We would meet Ted. And his stuff about how the Ninth Amendment was a mere inkblotdo you remember that? Cass is quite conservative and minimalist. The intensive contact in those dinners really came in connection with the [Robert] Bork nomination. Do you have a sense that for Bork abortion really was a key issue in. Obituary. They did, but I dont think any of them were painted with the same brush. Five years, maybe ten. Right. By the end of a very long evening of having dinner with them, and there was some touch football and other stuff, we really had the sense that this was a very complicated family. I was saddened to find that you passed away. Other times it was just my reaction to things. Thats very interesting, yes. What about the issue of privacy and unenumerated rights? Apparently the search wasnt as exhaustive as it had been for previous nominees, and there was enough to give Kennedy pause, in a line that I think was reiterated when [Robert] Byrd changed his view on Clarence Thomas, which is, If there is doubt, the benefit of the doubt has to go to the country, not to the nominee, who was already in a place where there is a lifetime appointment. I mean, someone like Moynihan, who is quicksilver smart but drunk in the middle of the daythats just a very different model. Right. Age: 83 years old. Over time they have. I really liked working with his staff, but he would often call himself just to ask for my view of something.

How important was Ted Kennedy to that process? I guess I confirmed the sense that both Kennedy and Biden and a few others had that that was the case, but I didnt get on any ramparts or testify against either of them. I think it turned out to be a referendum on whether the country as a whole, and there were lots of polls being taken all the time, was ready to roll back the Warren revolution and roll back a Constitution that protected rights like privacy that were not enumerated, and to question one personone vote and much of the racial progress, including cases like Shelley v. Kraemer, involving racially-restricted covenants. Its really impressive. I was going to testify and he would surely be confirmed and I would be arguing in front of him, and why did I need to piss him off any more than otherwise? With Bork it was a combination of Teddy and Joe Biden asking me to work on it. I guess theres a sense in which hes been marginalized by things that have made it harder for him to press people hard on various issues. A few times, but I dont remember particular ones.

Well, it was actually her children who had the effect on her. I havent really focused on what others expected. Was it usually Kennedy, or was it usually staff that first approached you? Do you feel that he has a coherent judicial philosophy? Do you have anybody youd recommend? I would say yes. Because I want to feast on the lives of the people that I will be dissecting in my analytical rigor. I remember calling him shortly after the nomination and congratulating him and telling him that I hoped he would be confirmed and that I planned to testify for him. Would it have been a fair way to summarize Borks views in a law journal? Tell me about the process that Kennedy used, because its an extraordinary one, on this nomination. And it was always impressive to me how seriously he took them.
Even seeing him as a friend, I still regarded him as an enormous hero. All of them, but mostly the outside groups, and secondly the Senators, and thirdly the public. Carolyn, you had such a big heart and wonderful smile! There we were, in a large ballroom at the Parker, one of the big hotels. Yes, flag burning. It became the daily soap opera. There are other issues of that sort but thats the principal one. She was very much against Roe v. Wade fundamentally and he was always for it. What made Kennedy different? He had a sense, a very good judgment of who was sufficiently articulate and powerful intellectually. It was so amazing that he could say things like that. What I admire most about him is the extraordinary wayhow much he made of what he had. Text size. What do you think really sunk it? WebCarolyn V Kreye, 76 Resides in Hudson, FL Lived In Brooklyn NY, Jackson NJ Related To William Kreye, Veronica Kreye, Robert Kreye Includes Address (3) Phone (3) Email (5) See Results Caroline L Kreye Resides in Wabasha, MN Related To Mary Kreye, John Kreye, Jacalyn Kreye, Leona Kreye Includes Address (2) See Results Karolyn M Kreye And then there are people who have certain core insights and deep values, and also the commitment and energy to take those insights and values, and figure out, What kind of staff and help do I need? There were eight or nine different categories and they all had to do with the intersection of constitutional principles and Congressional authority. I was the one that the Wall Street Journal editorials were targeting. There were lots of people watching. He didnt last long enough. Did you consult on Alito and Roberts? There were people who wanted to do some of the legislation that resulted in equal access to schools for prayer, so that groups that wanted to pray would not be discriminated against, as compared with other groups who wanted to use school facilities after the school closing hours. Tribe discusses advising Kennedy on issues related to the judiciary, specifically Supreme Court nominees and confirmations. Federal preemption measures, Im sure a lot of those we discussed. No, advise and consent, but then not publicly testified. Almost everybody thinks that if a nominee believes Brown v. Board was wrong, thats out of the question. Right.

It just didnt have the balls, basically, to fight them. Its not so much that hes moved to the left or anything, although on a few issues maybe slightly, but hes become so adept and hes actually cared more as the Court has moved to the right. But not having been present at most of those conversations, I really cant speak to that. Why dont we start at the beginning? Abortion becomes sub rosa, and what becomes the face of it is that the governments going to be in the bedroom. I had never asked a favor of him before, and I really wanted to meet with him one-on-one. WebOBITUARY Carolyn Kreye IN THE CARE OF Joseph G. Duffy Arrangements under the direction of Joseph G. Duffy, Brooklyn, NY.

Struggle with, yes, but once he got to the point that he did, then, as you described it, it fit within that core constitutional value. Can you think of the range of issues that he has asked you for advice on, besides Supreme Court nominations? Carolyn married Frederick C. Trim Sr. on April 6, 1957, in Plattsburgh. You distinguish with Kennedy a difference between core constitutional values and a judicial philosophy. You take somebody who would ostensibly seem very esotericPrivacy? No, but the point is that some of them could have been on the Supreme Court.

Not very much. So do you think that when he was nominatedand there were some questions about those who did support him, because Kennedy did end up voting for himif youve got Meese saying, Hes one of us, and you had somebody like you saying, Well, not really, and you get Kennedy voting for himA plus B does not equal C, in this case. Patti Saris was one of them. Of what the human consequences of his views would be. So there was very little reason to expect that Bork would be something other than the kind of guy that [Ronald] Reagan wanted him to be and assumed he would be. Or, We have three people that the Senator might want to hire. Now with Tony Kennedy I got calls quite quickly both from Ted Kennedy and from Biden, and I told them both that I supported his nomination strongly. He is more extreme than [Antonin] Scalia, and more rigid. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. The questioning process was not one where you could see his mind at work, particularly. Carolyn Lugene Owens, 86, of Clinton, TN, passed away peacefully on March 30, 2023 surrounded by family. He never met with anybody.

Im thinking in terms of how he chose to organize his moral and intellectual energy, period. Maybe theres a distinct language in New Hampshire. There were occasional just purely political things, but I dont remember them as well, or when they came up. Find the obituary of Carolyn Sue Shouse (1942 - 2023) from Claremore, OK. Leave your condolences to the family on this memorial page or send flowers to show you care. Elizabeth [Tribe] and I went to Ethels houseWas it Inauguration night? He would have been more like Kennedy than like Bork, I think. Carolyn (Moses) Heiden, 75, of North Mankato, died Sunday, January 10, 2021 at her home. But they clearly would be extremely conservative, more so than Rehnquist. From the very beginning, I was struck by what a complicated role he played in that family. Ive been in the process of talking with him. My sense is he was genuinely uncertain enough and thought there were troubling enough characteristics there, that he couldnt do it. So I was quite shocked when he was defeated. I had no political connections, but I was at the Boston Garden when Jack Kennedy gave one of his great speeches during the campaign. Those things are pathetic, and the Senate has not been very good at pushing back. I was regarded somehow as second only to Kennedy because of his dramatic statement about Robert Borks America, as the engineer of the opposition, probably wrongly. Well the Griswold decision was at great issue here. When you first heard it, what was your reaction to it?

Except, I didnt know that it would take him as long to become moderate-to-liberal as it did. There are many observers who said it was just way too dangerous for him. Also, the NAACP [National Association for the Advancement of Colored People] did not oppose him at the outset, and that made a huge difference. He was cordial.

I felt at the time that someone had gotten to him in a way that they shouldnt have, that he was inhibited and silenced in ways that were inappropriate. She was 77 years old.

Did you advise Kennedy at all, or [Christopher] Dodd, on the daycare bill? So hes become an incredibly effective coalition-builder and opinion-shaper on the Court, partly because he knows them all so well and they respect him so much. Between them and Barack Obamas ascendancy, Barack being a friend and a former student, I really had no deep conviction about anyone in politics except for Teddy, and I really thought he was a great possibility. She was a loving, kind hearted, very funny person, I still remember her voice and her laugh til this day. There was a caseI think it was called DronenburgThere were two cases and both of them involved gays in the military: one was written by Bork; one was written by Kennedy. It was pretty clear at the time and various people advised me that I would be making lots of enemies and there would be a lot of payback. It became a national seminar of things that people would ordinarily have seen as subjects for a law school seminar. Right. I now sort of remember it. Thats short. Hes qualified, hes smart. It was also that he was replacing Brennan.

And Roe v. Wade itself is always so complicated and controversial that people can say they dont have a clear position on it one way or the other. Really, the whole process post-Bork has been one in which people who have dramatically expressed views, liberal or conservative, are quite immediately filtered out, so the only people who can be seriously considered for Supreme Court nominations are people who either are not very passionate about their commitments to anything, or who are passionate but are so calculated that they always hedge their bets and express themselves mildly. While there that night, he quickly got to know another patient, Carolyn Kreye, a student at the Graduate School of Education. Well, then comes David Souter. And everybody has to take a deep sigh of relief and just go, Well, this is about the best we can get. It was a very traumatic time. Clinton that he name me instead ofAt one point it was either Ruth Ginsburg or Steve BreyerClinton didnt want the fight, and the fight was all about Bork. Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. I wasnt as good a vote-counter, I guess. Carolyn Sue (Mills) Traub, of Seymour, passed away unexpectedly at her home on the late afternoon of March 30, 2023. There are good signs here. And he said, Larry, you dont have to say anything more. There was one particular contrast. With heavy hearts, we announce the death of Carolyn Sue Shouse (Claremore, Oklahoma), born in Tulsa, Oklahoma, who passed away on March 21, 2023 at the age of Well, with Bork then, do you think that the process got shifted somewhat? Mrs. Cotner was born in Chatham County on Let me try to remember what happened originally.

Bob later on worked for Teddy a lot and wrote a lot of his best lines. And in a way, it may be that Kennedys opening salvo about Robert Borks America, though Im among those who might criticize it in some ways, was the memorable moment. Have they turned out the way you expected? Was it fair? Quite a bit. Your handprint's on my heart, best friend. Taking that excellent staff work but then working through the process himself, not being somebody who would necessarily instantaneously just get it. And yet what seemed to have gotten overlooked. Or if you think Congress powers are so limited, that the Court made a wrong turn in 1937, and really the nine old men were right and the Congress should not have the broad power to regulate interstate commerceThose are several lone stars. Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. He liked [Stephen] Steve Breyer a good bit, partly because Steve seemed to be compassionate and he cared about people, and for Kennedy it mattered. There were several that I was at. Kathleen had written only moderate things. He was a research assistant and student of mine, and one of the best. And it wasnt an awkward fit when you think about it. We thought it would be kind of cool. Add a Memory Send a note, share a Thats when there were a number of times that I went down to see him there and also met him in Boston. The idea of a moderate Republican Party just evaporated. Have you played any other role in educating Senators more broadly about the confirmation process? You know, in hindsight, Rehnquist wasnt all that horrible. They thought I was selling out, but Im proud that I was on that side of the issue because I think he has made, on the wholeI mean, I wish he were somewhat different, but hes made a progressive difference. Hes just extremely conservative. There was [Daniel Patrick] Moynihan, and a very small number of others. Fond memories and expressions of sympathy may be shared at www.ParklandFuneralServices.com for the Kreye family. They couldnt have been more different, and I thought that anybody who, as a conservative, as a nominee of a Republican, takes Roe v. Wade seriously in the context of a gay in the Navy, has got to be somebody who at least has some respect for constitutional rights and is not just ready to trash things because they dont fit with his country club ideology.

His views would lead to a scary world. If you had Bork instead of Kennedy, flash forward to all the things where Kennedy is the swing vote on everything still. Souter has turned out pretty much the way you expected? Why did the effort against Bork succeed? I have no idea how he did it but there was no surprise there for me. From everything that we know, it was Caroline. But Kennedy opposed him.

No one doubts that. WebCarolyn Cook-Dreher Obituary. There must have been a lot of that all along, because hes the same guy and its the same country. Because Biden knew that Kennedy was doing that, Biden as chair at that point knew he needed to go through at least as elaborate a process, and so it became even more elaborate. I thought he was extraordinarily brilliant, inspiring, calm, capable of guiding a very endangered vessel through a storm. There are many people who would argue that you can look at Reagans first term in particular and say that heres someone who came in and wanted to dismantle the welfare state. When he doesnt get confirmed, its as if Reagan retreats and goes, Ive got to find somebody, which Nixon didnt do. Ive made peace with it actually.

With over 1,900 locations, Dignity Memorial providers proudly serve over 375,000 families a year. Hes a great kid, with a great future. Why were you not recommending a vote one way or the other? I regarded him as just the most extraordinary student Id ever had. No, thats right, but he had supported him. Setting aside whatever ego involvement I might have, I do think it would be better if there were a Court with strong liberals and strong conservatives that would really argue with each other, rather than a Court that has a couple of dramatic conservatives who sneaked on for extraneous reasons: Scalia because the focus was on Rehnquist; and [Clarence] Thomas because race threw a wildcard into it; and no real liberals. I thought it was a sad thing that his views would replace someone with more nuanced views like OConnor, but I didnt see him as working a dramatic sea change. Right. I really think people thought that he would not protect the right of birth control. Brennan was chosen because he was a Catholic from the Northeast, not because Eisenhower had any illusions about his judicial philosophy. May the Angels welcome you at Heavens' door. And [Stephen] Stevie Smith, Jr., and a few others. Now that you can see where hes coming from. Did you participate in a retreat? I knew from Gordon Schaber that Kennedy had some gay friends in Sacramento, that he didnt ostracize them, that he thought they were perfectly normal people. So youre a pipeline and a good one. Because I was preparing to make a big pitch that he should endorse, and I know that it was not characteristic for him to do so, and all the rest.

Being on the Court would have been great, but it really would have been a dissenting role so much of the time. He came in like a Granite State nominee; it took him a while to warm up. He wanted to see people who were extremely smart and able to handle themselves in that very refined arena. The case for him had to do with abstract principles. Carolyn's Obituary. From that point to 1980 when he gave this great speech that Bob Shrum wrote, that I was vaguely involved in helping to write, when he gave the speech at the Democratic Convention ending with, The dream shall never die, he was the guy that I thought would somehow carry on the tradition that I was so excited by. scaring the country about his own views. When it comes to nominations like to the Supreme CourtWell, lets get something else out of the way first. Some of them were things in which he and I were very much aligned with somewhat more conservative interests. Ive sensed more constancy than evolution. Tom loved him and they got along beautifully. RIP, Miss Kreye was my teacher at St. John's the Evangelist in Brooklyn, NY. Carolyn Ann Gonzales Freire peacefully passed away on November 28, 2022. This is an interview with Professor Laurence Tribe on April 27, 2009, in Boston. When it came down to the wire. I dont know enough, but I do know that there are some troubling things. She was born in Its not the old line Democratic way of doing things. Probably. He sensed that the amount of deference that Presidents get in nominating justices was such that, unless he said something that would really send an electric jolt up the spine of the various groups that were often pretty spineless when it came to actually opposing people, it would be hopeless. Did Kennedy? He didnt just drop issues he cared about. With respect to Biden, I spent several days at his house in Delaware. Part of what I did, for example, occasionally would have to do with healthcare. 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